Style Quiz 3 Coherence and Continuity
Lyr 3 - The new Coherence™ and Continuity™ hybrid amplifier from Schiit - Impression & discussion thread
Hi All,
I am looking at potentially using my incoming Lyr 3 as a preamp to my Vidar on my desktop.
Has anyone on this thread done this? Any thoughts on the sound signature that it presents?
I know using a headphone amp as a preamp isn't ideal for speakers but my Rag 2 just doesn't have enough power for my mini-monitors and keeps going into protect mode when listening at loud volumes so I have to change it up and to to back to Vidar.
I am also considering using a Freya S for this duty as then I could use the balanced from my phono pre and us the SE outs on the Freya to my Vidar and then Lyr. I am a little concerned about volume leveling and desk space though with this setup.
My gear will be BF2, Lyr 3, Phono Pre (SE and Bal out options), I have a sys lying around too. Here is what I am considering:
Option 1:
BF2 and Phono to sys to Lyr 3 to Vidar
Option 2:
BF2 and Phono Pre Balanced to Freya S. Freya S SE Outs to Lyr and To Vidar.
Option 3:
Take one of the RCA cards from Rag 2 and put it into Lyr 3. So then Phono and BF2 SE to Lyr 3 then Pre out to Vidar. This is probably the cleanest of the options.
Any insights or advice are most appreciated.
I am looking at potentially using my incoming Lyr 3 as a preamp to my Vidar on my desktop.
Has anyone on this thread done this? Any thoughts on the sound signature that it presents?
Not exactly that, but I have a Modi Multibit going to a Vali2+ into an Aegir to speakers.
Sounds great, but currently limited by the old speakers I use
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That said about my experience about such things, I think your option 3 seems best if you can coerce the card into the Lyr3. Of what I heard it is possible and it works but it's a really tight fit. Otherwise I'd say option 1 because it's simpler than option 2..
What would be the problem with using a headphone amp as a preamp? As long as it has preamp outs and those are used to connect to the power amp I mean.
Does Rag 2 not have a pre-out?
It does, but it's a lot on a desk with a Vidar.
Not exactly that, but I have a Modi Multibit going to a Vali2+ into an Aegir to speakers.
Sounds great, but currently limited by the old speakers I use
.
That said about my experience about such things, I think your option 3 seems best if you can coerce the card into the Lyr3. Of what I heard it is possible and it works but it's a really tight fit. Otherwise I'd say option 1 because it's simpler than option 2..What would be the problem with using a headphone amp as a preamp? As long as it has preamp outs and those are used to connect to the power amp I mean.
Adding the card into Lyr3 is not difficult, just fiddly. You can also order one from Schiit via an email. I have the extra input card in all headphone amps that will take them. Nice option to have!
I'm going to crack it open tonight or tomorrow. Just listened to it via the sys and sounds pretty good but I like to idea of a cleaner setup.
Any words of wisdom as I pop this sucker open?
I'm going to crack it open tonight or tomorrow. Just listened to it via the sys and sounds pretty good but I like to idea of a cleaner setup.
Any words of wisdom as I pop this sucker open?
Lyr hasthe screwless case, so it's just removing the knob and nut and iirc, push the case off forward. I used a spudger, which is a plastic tool to help. Putting the card in is fun. Can't recall if Lyr was easy or hard. But if it's space-impacted, i just loosened the motherboard to get some play, and she went in fine.
Don't know if they've gone to light pipes on Lyr or still have the Leds on long legs. If led, get the top back on almost all theway, turn lyr bottom-up and getthe leds in their holes, then reseat the lid. If the leds stick out, gently push them flush.
patience is your friend here.
Lyr hasthe screwless case, so it's just removing the knob and nut and iirc, push the case off forward. I used a spudger, which is a plastic tool to help. Putting the card in is fun. Can't recall if Lyr was easy or hard. But if it's space-impacted, i just loosened the motherboard to get some play, and she went in fine.
Don't know if they've gone to light pipes on Lyr or still have the Leds on long legs. If led, get the top back on almost all theway, turn lyr bottom-up and getthe leds in their holes, then reseat the lid. If the leds stick out, gently push them flush.
patience is your friend here.
Yup, if it's the discrete LED with leads, getting it lined up and back through the top cover hole is the hardest part of the whole thing. I found that it you pull the LED forward some it helps to see and maneuver it to get it lined up and actually in the hole before you push the top all the way back in. Plenty of movement possible on the leads themselves.
I got the card installed and it works flawlessly. I like that I don't have to have the sys on my desk now and reduced the total amount of cables. I find it kind of odd that they don't offer this as an option on their ordering page. I did email them and they said that they do offer the RCA card as a special order option so there is that I guess.
Apparently, the RCA card is a wee bit dodgy to fit in the slot (clearance issues) in some headphone amps, and ppl may have complained a bit. So they make you work a bit.
Night shift at the 'Laurel Mountain audio loft' on Independence Eve (US) 
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Just an update regarding noise floor on the Asgard 3, Jotunheim 2 and Lyr 3 that I posted about earlier; I have all of them on hand at the moment to be able to test this.
Current setup is: PC (Unison USB) -> Modius (XLR) -> Jotunheim 2 (RCA) -> Lyr 3 (RCA Grey Glass/EHX Gold Pin) / Asgard 3 -> Sony EX800ST
Jotunheim 2 (Single Ended) in low gain has a significant noise floor and a noticeable hum component.
Lyr 3 in low gain has no discernible noise or hum.
Asgard 3 in low gain has no discernible noise or hum.
My experience is in line with the APX555 measurements Schiit have done and posted on their site, which indicate that in low gain at 32ohm, the Jotunheim 2 starts at around 2% THD+N, while the Lyr 3 starts at 0.5%~ THD+N and the Asgard 3 around 0.25%~ THD+N at the lowest measured voltage output (showing residual noise).
So I think for people who plan to use sensitive headphones or IEMs in single ended, say for example - for people in a situation where they have headphones which have fixed cables, or that recabling their collection to balanced would cost a significant amount of money, then the Lyr 3 or Asgard 3 will be more suitable from a noise floor perspective. From Jotunheim 2 balanced output, it will be as good or better than the other options. Personally, for me I find it a great excuse to buy the Lyr 3 as it is an excellent sounding amp and is possibly my favorite now 
Lyr+ incoming - definitely looking forward to impressions of it hopefully soon!!
Well, on the day that Lyr+ was announced, I got my used Lyr 3 with multibit running in a system with decent speakers. I struggled for a while because I used old USB 1.0 cables. That is fixed. So I am comparing a Lyr 3 with the multibit card to a Vali 2+ with a Modi 3, both driving powered Klipsch bookshelf speakers with a sub. I will eventually test Lyr 3 with the Modi versus Lyr 3 with multibit. And I'll repeat with Klipsch Heresy speakers and a tube power amp. But tonight I'm really just getting used to the Lyr/multibit versus what was the standard in this room. The difference is noticeable. I'm a 1950's and1960's jazz guy. I'm listening to Sinatra. With the Lyr 3 and the multibit DAC card Frank seems to take a step forward on the stage. The strings behind him seem softer and yet also better defined. The bass instruments sound clearer and the spaces between the bass notes are more crisp. I do not know how much of this is the multibit DAC (my first > $100 DAC) and how much is the Lyr. Tube is a 1957 RCA 6SN7. I'll listen for a week or so and then try the Modi into the Lyr's analog input. Trials with the tube power amp and the Heresy's are probably a month away.
I do not level match. I start with the volume at zero and turn it up until I like the music. I then listen to several songs, usually an entire CD. I repeat with the other gear. All gear is individually adjusted until I like the volume. I don't switch mid-song.
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Just a heads-up to anyone who is considering buying a new Lyr 3 from Schiit.
Now that the new Lyr+ has been announced (it will become available in the next couple months), the Lyr 3 has now been discontinued. There are only a few left (between 1-3 of each version, although more may or may not show up in the 'B-Stock and Closeout' section later on), so if you are still interested in buying a new Lyr 3 from Schiit (with the 5 year warranty), now is the time.
https://www.schiit.com/b-stocks
myerswitither1980.blogspot.com
Source: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lyr-3-the-new-coherence%E2%84%A2-and-continuity%E2%84%A2-hybrid-amplifier-from-schiit-impression-discussion-thread.875185/page-210
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